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		<title>By: N/A</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-61</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New projects are always great, I was thinking of starting a midibox sid (www.ucapps.de) after I get something neat going with this monitor.

Don't trouble yourself with a schematic if you dont want to, but it would be really nice to see what kind of stuff you are doing. And my email is one1two2three3four@gmail.com :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New projects are always great, I was thinking of starting a midibox sid (www.ucapps.de) after I get something neat going with this monitor.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t trouble yourself with a schematic if you dont want to, but it would be really nice to see what kind of stuff you are doing. And my email is <a href="mailto:one1two2three3four@gmail.com">one1two2three3four@gmail.com</a> :-p</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bq. _Iâ€™m pretty much stuck making some lines go up and down :-D_

sounds great!

bq. _Also, any special trick to getting the â€œmouthâ€ red and blue lines to move up and down_ ?

well... the top line was just the inverted signal of the bottom line... the movement came from an envelope follower which does half wave rectification of audio signals. i could just email(1234?) you a schematic if you like and you could just adapt it or bits of it to what you're doing. s'really simple.

i have been working on something new yes... i think the results are some crazy so far..! am hoping to start documenting it by friday or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>I&#226;&#8364;&#8482;m pretty much stuck making some lines go up and down :-D</em></p></blockquote>
<p>sounds great!</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Also, any special trick to getting the &#226;&#8364;&#339;mouth&#226;&#8364; red and blue lines to move up and down</em> ?</p></blockquote>
<p>well&#8230; the top line was just the inverted signal of the bottom line&#8230; the movement came from an envelope follower which does half wave rectification of audio signals. i could just email(1234?) you a schematic if you like and you could just adapt it or bits of it to what you&#8217;re doing. s&#8217;really simple.</p>
<p>i have been working on something new yes&#8230; i think the results are some crazy so far..! am hoping to start documenting it by friday or so.</p>
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		<title>By: N/A</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>N/A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-59</guid>
		<description>I'm using the HCF4024BEY for binary counters, and 74F08PC AND gate (It says "fast/faster bipolar logic")

It's funny you mention frying chips, the AND gate says it likes up to 5.5V supply, and will handle maximum 7, but I'm feeding it a bit more than 7 and it's doing great (outputs are very hot (electrically, not physically)).

That's weird, it's a tad bit warm but nothing serious. We're good for speed, and as for any interesting results? Not really... until I get more digital chips (shift registers, maybe an ADC), I'm pretty much stuck making some lines go up and down :-D

Everything works and that's all that matters! (these chips are going beyond max specs in the datasheets I think)

Have you found anything new? Also, any special trick to getting the "mouth" red and blue lines to move up and down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using the <span class="caps">HCF4024BEY</span> for binary counters, and 74F08PC <span class="caps">AND</span> gate (It says &#8220;fast/faster bipolar logic&#8221;)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny you mention frying chips, the <span class="caps">AND</span> gate says it likes up to 5.5V supply, and will handle maximum 7, but I&#8217;m feeding it a bit more than 7 and it&#8217;s doing great (outputs are very hot (electrically, not physically)).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s weird, it&#8217;s a tad bit warm but nothing serious. We&#8217;re good for speed, and as for any interesting results? Not really&#8230; until I get more digital chips (shift registers, maybe an <span class="caps">ADC</span>), I&#8217;m pretty much stuck making some lines go up and down :-D</p>
<p>Everything works and that&#8217;s all that matters! (these chips are going beyond max specs in the datasheets I think)</p>
<p>Have you found anything new? Also, any special trick to getting the &#8220;mouth&#8221; red and blue lines to move up and down?</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-58</guid>
		<description>okay, yeah... 15MHz is a bit closer to what you'd want for an hsync... so cmos should be able to handle that i guess... but maybe not.

the 40106...the schmitt-trigger... you know i seem to recall that i was having better luck with the ttl 7400 versions... 
i thought i read somewhere that 5ns was an upper limit for cmos and i think you'd need more headroom in terms of speed... do you have the highspeed cmos? (HTC version or something?)

and for some reason i think you have to run the hsynch through an and (or xor? or nand?) gate with the vsynch before the schmitt-trigger if you actually want to see anything on the screen... not sure why but i could only get a line at the edge of the screen without doing that...

so yeah. maybe try TTL (but don't fry them chips with the voltage; ) or try some kind of highspeed CMOS if you haven't already...

i'm curious as to the results you've had so far though... 

.......


the laser stuff... well that particular installation was a collaboration with "robyn moody":http://vaarc.ca/2-exhibitionsMAIN/2004-2005/harp.html and he's most certainly the brains of all the electronics and lasers and stuff there... he also made some kind of giant spaceship / life-support system for goldfish once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, yeah&#8230; 15MHz is a bit closer to what you&#8217;d want for an hsync&#8230; so cmos should be able to handle that i guess&#8230; but maybe not.</p>
<p>the 40106&#8230;the schmitt-trigger&#8230; you know i seem to recall that i was having better luck with the ttl 7400 versions&#8230;<br />
i thought i read somewhere that 5ns was an upper limit for cmos and i think you&#8217;d need more headroom in terms of speed&#8230; do you have the highspeed cmos? (HTC version or something?)</p>
<p>and for some reason i think you have to run the hsynch through an and (or xor? or nand?) gate with the vsynch before the schmitt-trigger if you actually want to see anything on the screen&#8230; not sure why but i could only get a line at the edge of the screen without doing that&#8230;</p>
<p>so yeah. maybe try <span class="caps">TTL </span>(but don&#8217;t fry them chips with the voltage; ) or try some kind of highspeed <span class="caps">CMOS</span> if you haven&#8217;t already&#8230;</p>
<p>i&#8217;m curious as to the results you&#8217;ve had so far though&#8230;</p>
<p>.......</p>
<p>the laser stuff&#8230; well that particular installation was a collaboration with <a href="http://vaarc.ca/2-exhibitionsMAIN/2004-2005/harp.html" title="">robyn moody</a> and he&#8217;s most certainly the brains of all the electronics and lasers and stuff there&#8230; he also made some kind of giant spaceship / life-support system for goldfish once.</p>
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		<title>By: N/A</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-57</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Halp" was a little joke. You're right, 60 hz was vsync, I get those mixed up. 120hz works nice for that.

CD40106 is inverting, but it doesn't seem to like this signal. It is probably because (these are CMOS logic) I am running off of about 7 volts, and that changes the trigger threshold.

I saw your other projects like the laser briefcase, crazy! :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Halp&#8221; was a little joke. You&#8217;re right, 60 hz was vsync, I get those mixed up. 120hz works nice for that.</p>
<p><span class="caps">CD40106</span> is inverting, but it doesn&#8217;t seem to like this signal. It is probably because (these are <span class="caps">CMOS</span> logic) I am running off of about 7 volts, and that changes the trigger threshold.</p>
<p>I saw your other projects like the laser briefcase, crazy! :-p</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was using envelope followers... some of which do use vactrols yes.

what's a "Halp" though?


does a 40106 have an inverted input? or you can just use something else to invert.
60Hz for an H-sync seems like a weird number to me for some reason at the moment...

but i just got back into town</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was using envelope followers&#8230; some of which do use vactrols yes.</p>
<p>what&#8217;s a &#8220;Halp&#8221; though?</p>
<p>does a 40106 have an inverted input? or you can just use something else to invert.<br />
60Hz for an H-sync seems like a weird number to me for some reason at the moment&#8230;</p>
<p>but i just got back into town</p>
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		<title>By: N/A</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>N/A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also.... do you know how to get h sync (60hz for me) "useable"? My CD40106 won't count it's pulses, it's normally low, as opposed to the vsync that is usually high.

Was that a problem for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also&#8230;. do you know how to get h sync (60hz for me) &#8220;useable&#8221;? My <span class="caps">CD40106</span> won&#8217;t count it&#8217;s pulses, it&#8217;s normally low, as opposed to the vsync that is usually high.</p>
<p>Was that a problem for you?</p>
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		<title>By: N/A</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-49</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 20:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good photo, and I decided to follow in your footsteps of the videosynth.

So far, I destroyed my old monitor's cable (mistake, but I didn't want to go out buying sockets and blah), found the v and h sync, pulled out my video card's second output, and put the v and h sync onto a breadboard, feeding them into the second monitor.

Then, I put the vsync into a binary counter, and that divided pulses, then took some of those outputs into a AND gate, then fed that into the green and blue channels, I just have to get something to convert incomming audio into some sort of control voltage... Halp? vactrol?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good photo, and I decided to follow in your footsteps of the videosynth.</p>
<p>So far, I destroyed my old monitor&#8217;s cable (mistake, but I didn&#8217;t want to go out buying sockets and blah), found the v and h sync, pulled out my video card&#8217;s second output, and put the v and h sync onto a breadboard, feeding them into the second monitor.</p>
<p>Then, I put the vsync into a binary counter, and that divided pulses, then took some of those outputs into a <span class="caps">AND</span> gate, then fed that into the green and blue channels, I just have to get something to convert incomming audio into some sort of control voltage&#8230; Halp? vactrol?</p>
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		<title>By: agnes wintowski</title>
		<link>http://www.mediumrecords.com/random/2006/08/19/toaster-in-front-of-a-fence/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>agnes wintowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you take that photo, its --------!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you take that photo, its&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;!</p>
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